Program Chair: Dr. Thomas G. Gillespie
March 5 - 8, 2005

SATURDAY, MARCH 5, 2005

8:00 am
American Board of Veterinary Practitioners (ABVP) Swine Health Management Certification Entrance Examination

Pre-conference seminars
1:00 - 5:00 pm

Seminar #1
Gilt Development and Acclimatization
Rodger Main, chair

This seminar will provide attendees with an applied overview of the fundamentals involved in preparing replacement gilts for maximal productivity. We will begin with an applied review of literature followed by a domestic and international review of alternative systems of gilt development. We will then have our paradigms challenged by a look into how leaders in the poultry industry are acclimatizing replacement females. Finally, we will conclude with a detailed review of both traditional and emerging methods of acclimatizing replacement gilts.

1:00   Gilt development: A review of the literature
Malachy Young

1:45   Gilt development programs in North and South America
Joaquin Sporke

2:15   A review of field cases with alternative gilt development strategies
Larry Himmelberg

2:45 BREAK

3:00   Acclimatizing the developing breeder hen: A poultry virologist’s perspective
Jack Rosenberger

4:00   A review of traditional and non-traditional means of acclimatizing the developing gilt
Locke Karriker

Seminar #2
Applying PRRS Diagnostic Tools
Julie Ménard, chair

The aim of this session is to give tools to the practitioners for the interpretation of their PRRS results on a day-to-day basis. It will cover some basics of PRRS immunity, serology and sequencing. Some epidemiological aspects of PRRS as well as A.I. boar testing will also be discussed. There will be seven excellent speakers who will be available to you at the end of the session to answer your questions. Looking forward to seeing you there!

1:00   Immunity and diagnosis of PRRS in homologous and heterologous infection
Michael P. Murtaugh

1:25   PRRS serology: Present reality and future possibility
Monte McCaw

1:50   PRRS monitoring of seedstock herds: The good, bad, and ugly
John Harding

2:15   PRRSV monitoring in boar studs
Andre Broes

2:40   BREAK

3:00   Applying nucleotide sequencing to the diagnosis of PRRSV
Steven Kleiboeker

3:25   Epidemiological study on PRRS: Application and lessons
Sylvie D’Allaire

3:50   PRRS sequencing: A practitioner’s application
Barry Kerkaert

4:15   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #3
Concepts of Large System Health Management
Matthew Turner, chair

Managing health within the constraints of a large system offers many benefits and challenges. This seminar will focus on some of the important topics that challenge corporate veterinarians today. Participants will leave this seminar with a new outlook on problem solving and trouble-shooting that can be applied to any system. If you are a large system vet or are interested in a systems approach to swine medicine, this is the seminar for you!

1:00   Driving value by managing diagnostic information
Spencer Wayne

1:30   Balancing the health goal
Mike Mohr

2:00   Compliance issues in large systems
Paul DuBois

2:30   Biosecurity potholes
Christa Irwin

3:00   BREAK

3:15   Proper study design: Avoiding biased results and interpretations
John Deen

3:45   Managing script and extra-label drug use
Julia Punderson

4:30   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #4
Case Studies: A Six-Pack of Trouble (or Opportunity)
Rich Collins, chair

How many “not on the list” diseases or opportunities for improvement do swine veterinarians walk by every day? This session will focus on some of these and how the veterinarian diagnosed, treated and evaluated response in their case study.

1:00   A bad case of the scours
 Matt Ackerman

1:30   Belly ruptures: big bucks
Dale Mechler

2:00   Harvesting lost causes
Keith Aljets

2:30   BREAK

2:45   Gut edema has returned
Randy Jones

3:15   The battle of K88 in the nursery
Keith Wilson

3:45   Unsolved mysteries of our practice
Lisa Tokach

4:15   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #5
Boar Stud Issues
Bob Graybill, chair

Expert speakers will address current management practices relating to boar studs and practical approaches to improve semen quality through comprehensive assessments of boar stud health and performance parameters. Semen, extenders, and antibiotic usage will be discussed as to the impact each may have on sow reproduction. In addition, speakers will explore current practice issues related to management goals for optimal performance of a successful boar stud. Issues suggested on last year’s evaluation forms will be included in the presentations.

1:00   How do semen and extender evaluations affect reproduction parameters?
Gary Althouse

1:45   Criteria for assessing boar stud performance
Chris Kuster

2:30   BREAK

2:45   Current boar stud management practices
Don Levis

3:45   Biosecurity changes made after a PRRS outbreak
Darwin Reicks

4:30   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #6
Improving Profitability and Production through Better Animal Care
Cate Dewey, chair

This seminar will give the practitioner tools to enhance the welfare of pigs in commercial operations. It will cover the full breadth of phases of production and a variety of hot welfare topics. Participants will gain a deeper understanding of the physiology behind sickness behavior, pain and healing. Management factors associated with transportation losses and shoulder ulcers will be discussed. We will also cover the role of personnel management on welfare and timely euthanasia. There are ten minute discussion periods after each speaker to enhance the exchange of information between participants.

1:00   Behavior of the sick pig: How to enhance recovery rates
Suzanne Millman

1:50   Routine processing of neonatal piglets: Short term pain for long term gain?
Tina Widowski

2:40   BREAK

2:55   Productivity and welfare in the commercial sow
Tim Blackwell

3:40   Timely euthanasia in the field: A practitioner’s perspective
George Charbonneau

4:25   Understanding and reducing in-transit losses in the market pig
Charles Haley

SUNDAY, MARCH 6, 2005
Preconference Seminars
8:00 am – 12:00 noon

Seminar #7
Foreign Animal Disease: Review, Terrorism, Preparedness, Experiences, and Impact
Mike Senn, chair

The objectives of this session are to:

1) provide a general overview of foreign animal disease
2) discuss agricultural terrorism as a reality
3) discuss real life, global experiences with foreign animal disease
4) discuss preparedness programs and lessons learned
5) discuss the impact of a foreign animal disease on a production system

8:00   Agricultural terrorism
Marc Mattix

9:00   Canadian foreign animal disease preparedness and emergency response
Brian Keyes

9:45   BREAK

10:00   Foreign animal disease review
Paul Kitching

11:00   Classical swine fever diagnosis: A case history
Harry Snelson

11:15   Foreign animal disease: Impact on a production system
Rick Swalla

11:35   Animal disposal methods
Brian Keyes

Seminar #8
Optimizing Reproductive Efficiency
John Waddell, chair

Top reproductive performance as measured by pigs per sow per year is an elusive goal for some farms. While 30 p/s/y is not yet common in Denmark , there are enough farms achieving and sustaining this level of production to demonstrate that it is possible with today’s genetics and technologies. This seminar will provide practical, take home advice on how we can help our clients push the envelope of reproductive efficiency towards 30 p/s/y.

8:00   Managing for 30 pigs/sow/year
John Waddell

9:00   Genetic selection towards 30 pigs/sow/year
Tom Rathje

9:30   Feeding for 30 pigs/sow/year
Duane Reese

10:00   BREAK

10:30   Applying new technologies to optimize reproduction
Don Levis

11:15   Applying Danish technology to produce 30 pigs/sow/year in North America
Tony Moulds

11:45   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #9
The Business of Veterinary Medicine for the Soon-to-be Veterinarian
Larry Firkins, chair

This session will be interactive throughout the program so come ready to participate and contribute. Learn what actions you can take today to allow you to be better prepared for your first years in practice. Three veterinarians who regularly teach business principles will share their knowledge in the areas of preparing yourself to demonstrate your value, developing your leadership skills and financial management that will impact your career and your life. A veterinarian from a swine consulting practice will cover the importance of mentoring and how she has used mentors to advance her career.

8:00   Demonstrating value
David Reeves

9:00   Budgeting and prioritizing revenue disbursement after graduation
Robert Morrison

10:00   BREAK

10:15   CSI: Toronto
Larry Firkins

11:30   Mentoring…the lead car in the first year roller coaster ride
Jennifer Greiner

Seminar #10
Managing Feed Costs
Pete Pawluk, chair

Feed costs are still the greatest proportion of total input in the production of pork, and therefore represent the best opportunity for improving farm profitability. In this seminar we will discuss ways to measure, standardize, and benchmark feed costs. Then we'll apply this information to develop practical and effective nutritional cost control solutions for the farm.

8:00   Use of data capture and integration IT systems to benchmark feed costs of production
Tom Stein
Matt Ackerman
Alan Childs
Grant Grinstead

9:30   BREAK

10:00   Practical methods for cost control in swine feeding systems
Matt Steidinger

11:30   Q & A Roundtable

Seminar #11
Applied Swine Medicine: Taking it to the Farm
Ross Kiehne, chair

This seminar will share four ways that other practitioners are using science to improve the farms they work with. Every talk will be summarized with take home messages. Practice (and farm) builders will be shared with some new ideas. We will be covering some of the most common diseases (PRRS, HPS, Flu) and learn how to make sure our interventions worked.

8:00   Introduction
Ross Kiehne

8:15   Bacterial disease control using exposure techniques
Doug Groth

9:00   The science of pig environment and its effect on health and production
Mike Eisenmenger

9:45   BREAK

10:00   Using PRRS ELISA to determine sow farm and grow/finish stability
Todd Distad

10:45   Conducting practical and real on-farm experiments
Locke Karriker

11:30   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

Seminar #12
Parity Segregation: Application in the Industry
James Kober, chair

Parity segregation has been used in the industry for several years. Benefits can be identified in the breeding herd and in the growing pigs when gilts and their offspring are segregated. We will hear lessons learned since parity segregated production was introduced and how it is being applied in systems of varying size.

8:00   The beginnings of parity segregation, what we have learned, and how it will evolve
Camille Moore

8:35   Why segregation works and what it means economically
John Deen

9:10   Parity segregation: Methods of disease control and elimination
Butch Baker

9:45   BREAK

10:00   Benefits and pitfalls of parity segregation
Luc Dufresne

10:30   Implementation of parity segregation in production systems
Bill Hollis

11:00   Parity segregation on a large, independent farm
James Kober

11:30   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

SUNDAY, MARCH 6, 2005

Concurrent Session #1
Student Seminar
1:00 - 5:00 pm
Tom Fangman & Sandy Amass, co-chairs

1:00   Effect of antibiotic administration in pigs after weaning in the presence of concurrent nutritional and environmental stressors
Lynette Wellen, University of Illinois

1:15   Effects of synthetic progestin (altrenogest) administration to primaparous female swine with short or long lactation length on measures of subsequent reproductive performance
Stacey Walk, University of Illinois

1:30   Effect of PCV2 passive antibody levels on vaccination with chimeric PCV1-2 vaccine and challenge with wild-type PCV2
Peter Thomas, Iowa State University

1:45   Treatment of ear hematomas in swine
Janet Sunstrum, University of Guelph

2:00   A review of diagnostic tools for the detection of mycoplasmas in the respiratory tract of swine
Erin Strait, Iowa State University

2:15   The influence of environmental temperature on PRRSV retention in houseflies
Jennifer Schurrer, University of Minnesota

2:30   Development of a quality-controlled protocol and resulting commercial sow farm production for on-farm live PRRS virus
Michael Pugh, Iowa State University

2:45   Accuracy of methods used to determine sperm concentration in extended porcine semen doses
Brian Payne, University of Illinois

3:00   BREAK

3:15   Determination of acetylsalicylic acid and sodium salicylate product stability and achievable serum concentrations under typical nursery conditions
Abby Patterson, Iowa State University

3:30   Caesarian derivation of piglets to manage disease risk of genetic introduction
Jill Odle, Texas A & M University

3:45   Semen extension; a comparison between two known methods
Deborah Murray, University of Minnesota

4:00   Characterization of serological cross-reactivity between genetically different H1N1 and H1N2 swine influenza viruses
Brad Leuwerke, Iowa State University

4:15   The role of beta-glucan for improving the survival of piglets to weaning
Nicola Jackson, University of Prince Edward Island

4:30   Prevalence and significance of Actinobacillus pleuropneumoniae and Actinobacillus suis
Heather Gunn-McQuillan, University of Guelph

4:45   Prevalence of Yersinia enterocolitica in different phases of production on swine farms
Andrew Bowman, Ohio State University

Concurrent Session #2
Industrial Partners
1:00 - 5:30 pm
Jennifer Greiner, chair

1:00   New approach for veterinarian diagnostics
Maamar Achacha
Arivac

1:15   The first needle-free injection system for swine in Canada
Gilles Paquin
Arivac

1:30   Pig parts for people, or “Is there a pig liver in your future?”
Rexanne Struve
Struve Labs, Inc.

1:45   Veterinary accreditation program changes
Lawrence Miller
USDA

2:00   ACVPM board certification opportunities
Paul Sundberg
American College of Veterinary Preventive Medicine

2:15   Integra Micro Meter
Kevin Rath
Automated Production Systems

2:30   FAST® Alley™ Design: A convenient retrofitting option for implementing automatic sorting
Frank Brummer
Farmweld

2:45   Emcelle tocopherol (d-alpha-tocopherol): A biologically available source of vitamin E for newly-weaned piglets
Robert Stuart
Stuart Products

3:00   BREAK

3:15   Comparison of feed-based preventive vs. water-based therapeutic medication programs on performance, health and economics of grow-finish pigs
Teddi Wolff
Alpharma Animal Health

3:30   An overview of research on bacitracin methylene disalicylate (BMD) in sow diets
Teddi Wolff
Alpharma Animal Health

3:45    Clostridium novyi induction trial to evaluate the pathogenesis of clinical disease in sows
Roy Schultz
Alpharma Animal Health

4:00   Current slaughter and serological surveys indicate Sarcoptes scabiei var. suis spread continues in the USA swine industry
Jennifer Greiner and Douglas Weiss
Merial

4:15   Demonstration of short-term efficacy in pigs of Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae experimental vaccines by an innovative needle-free route
Catherine Charreyre
Merial

4:30   Efficacy of lower dose levels of Ivomec premix against Ascaris suum in experimentally infected pigs
Jozef Vercruysse
Merial

4:45   International Biotechnology Center : bridges the gap between developing and implementing new reproductive technologies
Mark Wilson
Minitube of American Association of Swine Veterinarians

5:00   GEDIS® AI catheters impact on labor and reproductive performance
Michelle Michalak
Genes Diffusion

5:15   Gel-based feed improves performance of nursery pigs
Brenda de Rodas
Land O’Lakes Farmland Feed

Concurrent Session #3
Industrial Partners
1:00 - 5:30 pm
Peter Provis, chair

1:00   Case studies: Improving production and lowering costs
Darwin Kohler
Babcock Genetics

1:15   The key tools to improving and maximizing first litter size: physical boar exposure and developmental estrus cycles
Jeff Hall
Babcock Genetics

1:30   Can you afford not to close your herd? Comparisons based on Babcock Genetics and utilizing the University of Georgia 's GENCOST program
James Schneider
Babcock Genetics

1:45   A whole-genome, high-density scan of the swine genome
Michael Lohuis
Monsanto Choice Genetics

2:00   A method for delivering superior swine genetics
Sam Buttram
Monsanto Choice Genetics

2:15   Genetic improvement of meat quality and fertility using the national nucleus
Rick Pfortmiller
National Swine Registry

2:30   Second stage of a MEW protocol for the elimination of PRRS and mycoplasma
Mark Weaver
Newsham Genetics

2:45   Ultrasound in swine breeding operations
Len Nighswonger
E.I. Medical

3:00   BREAK

3:15   Improving the profit of your swine operation: the role of genetics
Noel Williams
PIC

3:30   Taking a 25,000 sow system PRRSV negative
Alberto Alfonso
PIC

3:45   Applying marker technology to sow longevity
Max Rothschild
PIC

4:00   Application of MATRIX™ as a component of effective gilt development unit management
George Foxcroft
Intervet

4:15    End - FLU ence® 2 provides protection against cluster III H3N2 experimental challenge
Brad Thacker
Intervet

4:30   Flavomycin® supplementation of nursery pig diets
Darryl Ragland
Intervet

4:45   Subclinical ileitis produced by sequential dilutions of Lawsonia intracellularis in a mucosal homogenate challenge model
Marie-Anne Paradis
Elanco Animal Health

5:00   The public health consequences of an antibiotic use in food animals: A deterministic risk assessment
H. Scott Hurd
Elanco Animal Health

5:15   Impact of animal handling and transportation conditions on losses during transport
Mike Ellis
Elanco Animal Health

Concurrent Session #4
Industrial Partners
1:00 - 5:00 pm
Mike Kuhn, chair

1:00   Typing of Lawsonia intracellularis isolates by analysis of variable number tandem repeat profiles
Dana Beckler
Swine Services Unlimited

1:15    H. parasuis : Diagnostics and autogenous bacterin trends across Canada
Lori Moser
Gallant Custom Laboratories

1:30   Advantages of using mimic target molecules for in-house virus PCR assays
Brad Bosworth
Novartis Animal Health

1:45   Evaluation of alpha toxoid levels in autogenous Clostridium perfringens type A bacterin
Brad Bosworth
Novartis Animal Health

2:00   Evaluation of a one-dose Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae bacterin
Brad Bosworth
Novartis Animal Health

2:15   Draxxin: A novel triamilide antibiotic for swine respiratory disease
Nigel Evans
Pfizer Animal Health

2:30   Efficacy of tulathromycin against key SRD pathogens in model studies
Randy Kilgore
Pfizer Animal Health

2:45   Clinical efficacy of Draxxin for treating naturally occuring SRD in Europe and the US .
Steve Sornsen
Pfizer Animal Health

3:00   BREAK

3:15   A novel approach to characterize Haemophilus parasuis field isolates using a PCR assay for detecting a neuraminidase gene and using a spot test for estimating the neuraminidase activity expressed by the isolate
Boh Chang Lin
MVP Laboratories

3:30   The effectiveness of Banamine® for the management of pyrexia in pigs associated with naturally occuring disease
Robert Simmons
Schering-Plough Animal Health

3:45   Evaluation of safety and efficacy of Mycoplasma hyopneumoniae bacterin (M+Pac™) when administered as single and two dose under field conditions
Huchappa Jayappa
Schering-Plough Animal Health

4:00   Evaluation of efficacy of Escherichia coli bacterin in controlling neonatal diarrhea in pigs (Scourmune™) under field conditions
Gail Cunningham
Schering-Plough Animal Health

4:15   Optimal vaccination timing with Enterisol® Ileitis
Don Walter
Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica

4:30   Enterisol® SC-54 cross-protection against a virulent Salmonella typhimurium strain
Axel Neubauer
Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica

4:45   Impact of repeated immunization with a closely related vaccine (Ingelvac® PRRS MLV) on PRRSV VR-2332 persistence and transmission in a population of pigs
Jean Paul Cano
Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica

5:00  Influence of WEANMORE+® fed to sows on urine pH, stillbirth rate and preweaning mortality
Brent Christopherson
SODA Feed Ingredients LLC

5:15  An update on mycoplasma vaccines
Johanne Elsener
Fort Dodge Animal Health and Wyeth Animal Health

Special Session
Qualified Accredited Veterinarian (QAV) Training:
Trichinae Certification (limit 10)
1:00 - 5:00 pm
David Pyburn, Chair

MONDAY, MARCH 7, 2005

GENERAL SESSION: Applying the Basics
Tom Gillespie, Program Chair
8:00 am – 12:00 noon

8:00   Howard Dunne Memorial Lecture
Lifelong learning: Applying science in practice
Scott Dee

9:00   Science in practice: practice examples
Camille Moore

9:45   BREAK

10:00   Science and practice - two perspectives, one goal: A path for progress
Laura Batista

10:45   Effective biosecurity: the case for compliance and regional perspective
J.P. Vaillancourt

11:30   Founders’ message: The times, oh how have they changed - A Canadian perspective
S. Ernest Sanford

CONCURRENT SESSION #1
PRRS: Managing Population Immunity
Max Rodibaugh, chair
1:30 – 5:30 pm

1:30   PRRS vaccinology: Past, present, future
Bill Mengeling

2:10   Mass vaccination: Expectations and results in practice
Dave Smidt

2:30   Mass vaccination applied to a production system
Matthew Turner

2:45   Planned exposure procedures, principles, and goals
Mark Fitzsimmons

3:15   BREAK

3:30   Planned exposure: A summary of results
Mark Wagner

4:00   Regulatory considerations with planned exposure
Brian Erdahl

4:30   Liability and planned exposure
Tom Patterson

5:00   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

CONCURRENT SESSION #2
Research Topics
Cate Dewey, chair
1:30 – 5:30 pm

1:30   Towards timed single insemination in sows
Glen Cassar

1:45   The effect of on-farm storage temperature on stored semen quality
Beth Young

2:00   Risk factors for the development of decubital ulcers over the scapula in sows
Thomas Rosendal

2:15   Immune response and effect of maternal antibody interference on vaccination with a bivalent swine influenza vaccine
Eileen Thacker

2:30   The prevalence of exposure to Salmonella sp. in finishing swine marketed in Iowa
James McKean

2:45   A study investigating farm-level risk factors for variation in carcass characteristics in pigs in southern Ontario
Tiffany Cottrell

3:00   Risk factors associated with seropositivity to Lawsonia intracellularis in Alberta finishing swine
Cesar Corzo

3:15   BREAK

3:30   Optimization of methods for the study of swine viral pathogens in aerosols
J.R. Hermann

3:45   Molecular characterization of evolution of PRRS virus structural protein genes during long-term sequential pig-to-pig passages
Sang-Ho Cha

4:00   Immunological significance of PRRSV genetic variation
Won-Il Kim

4:15   Timeline of early detection of PRRS virus in boar
 Darwin Reicks

4:30   Area-based prevalence of PRRSV and the initiation of a regional control program
Enrique Mondaca-Fernandez

4:45   Genomic and in vivo comparison of PCV2 isolates from clinical PMWS cases with and without hallmark microscopic lesions of lymphoid depletion
Tanja Opriessnig

5:00   Evidence of genetic influence on the expression of porcine circovirus disease (PCVD) in postweaning pigs
S. Lopez-Soria

5:15   Antimicrobial resistance surveillance in Canada : How does pork compare?
Anne Deckert

TUESDAY, MARCH 8, 2005

CONCURRENT SESSION #1
Biosecurity
Stephen Patterson, chair
9:00 am – 1:00 pm

9:00   Current research in biosecurity
Scott Dee

9:45   Aerosol transmission of swine pathogens: Overview of the subject and evaluation of suspected field cases
Robert Desrosiers

10:30   BREAK

11:00   Flying insects as biosecurity risks and what the swine vet needs to know
Roger Moon

11:45   Applying a tool for PRRS risk assessment
Dale Polson

12:30   Applying air filtration to boar studs
Andy Holtcamp

CONCURRENT SESSION #2
Making Decisions in Grow Finish
Kerry Keffaber, chair
9:00 am – 1:00 pm

9:00   Proforma budgets and the at-risk pig
John Deen

9:30   Using opportunity cost for improving finishing performance
Doug MacDougald

10:00   What we have learned about G/F performance
James Lowe

10:45   BREAK

11:00   Working with a producer-owned cooperative packer, Meadowbrook Farms
Alan Wildt

11:15   Learning how to invest in animal health
Mike Mohr

11:45   Practical considerations in antibiotic usage
Larry Rueff

12:30   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

CONCURRENT SESSION #3
Understanding and Applying Immunology
Mark Wagner, session chair
9:00 am – 1:00 pm

9:00   Innate immunity
James Roth

9:40   Acquired immunity
Joan Lunney

10:20   Strep immunity
Marcelo Gottschalk

10:45   BREAK

11:00    E. coli immunity
Carlton Gyles

11:25    H. parasuis immunity
Simone Oliveira

11:50   SIV immunity
Kristien VanReeth

12:20   Roundtable Q & A
All speakers

CONCURRENT SESSION #4
Veterinarians and Production Management
Sarah Probst Miller, chair
9:00 am – 1:00 pm

9:00   Services to provide with your management team
Daryl Olsen

9:30   Establishing the right amount of people power
Luke Minion

10:00   Guiding and developing your human resources team
Sarah Fogleman

10:30   Leadership in the swine industry: How to get people to believe and execute
Jim Pillen

11:00   BREAK

11:15   Monitoring personnel understanding of training via pre- and post-training testing (and impact on specific production parameters)
Sarah Probst Miller

11:30   Identifying and communicating key drivers of financial performance to production management
Steve Weiss, CPA

12:00   Employee financial training and incentives
Craig Rowles

12:30   Driving proactive production management and pig flow decisions in finishers
Jason Kelly